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BKernodle
09-09-2016, 07:31 PM
Well, my old man tells me that I should sell it, save my money, and find me a west coast van. I have faith that I can cut out the cancer, make a pattern, and fix this with some sheet metal and patience.

Drivers side and Passenger side... How wrong am I?

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SAVAGE
09-09-2016, 08:34 PM
Anything is fixable. whats the rest of the van like?? My guess you holes around windshield someplace??? Is it a 2nd gen??

Vanner68
09-09-2016, 08:46 PM
Take a stab at it. Worst case scenario, you get some hands on fab experience!

BKernodle
09-09-2016, 08:47 PM
Anything is fixable. whats the rest of the van like?? My guess you holes around windshield someplace??? Is it a 2nd gen??


It's a 68 108. I'm going to go ahead and say that the upper lip that the windshield gasket locks to is rusted, found it while removing the sunvisors, with the intent of making an overhead dash.... Every time I hit a bump, rust drops on my lap. However, I saw a guy that had the same problem, and he just patched in some new metal to make a new lip. The bottoms of the front doors are rusted out, but that's because the PO never replaced any weather stripping. I'm in the process of that. There is a hole in the roof, where I am guessing there used to be a super scoop, but the PO just puttied a new piece of sheet metal over the whole. I have it sealed up with RVT temporarily, until I get back from my next ship. Then there is the usual suspect rust spots... the bottom of the doghouse, the driver side floorpan, and the rockers.

Honestly, I'd say the only big issue rust spots are those pictured above.

Once I get back from my next ship, I plan on getting the bodywork done and dropping in a 350.

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jrinaman
09-09-2016, 09:44 PM
I have fixed worse, more than once. that being said, if I had more money or a clue as to total costs of my projects, I would of just bought something else in better shape. when/if I have the free time (never) I enjoy doing the work and I have enough skill and tools to get by. even then, cost of vehicle plus parts and materials usually end up the same as if I just bought one in better shape. not one cent for my time! if its a hobby you enjoy, go for it. if you just want a nice van, buy one in better shape.

BKernodle
09-09-2016, 11:07 PM
I have fixed worse, more than once. that being said, if I had more money or a clue as to total costs of my projects, I would of just bought something else in better shape. when/if I have the free time (never) I enjoy doing the work and I have enough skill and tools to get by. even then, cost of vehicle plus parts and materials usually end up the same as if I just bought one in better shape. not one cent for my time! if its a hobby you enjoy, go for it. if you just want a nice van, buy one in better shape.


I would love to do everything myself. I figure that if someone else can do it, then I can, too. My wife bought me an Eastwood 135 setup last Christmas, but I've been soo busy with work and school, that I just haven't had the time to get into the full swing of things. Tons of ideas, but since I'm in the home stretch of my apprenticeship, I'm still light on money until I finish. I've been doing little things here and there, when time and money allow.

digz
09-10-2016, 06:54 AM
You've gotten the opinions of 3 Rust Warriors here and I am going to chime in and say yes, it's totally doable.

kookykrispy
09-10-2016, 08:56 AM
Well, my old man tells me that I should sell it, save my money, and find me a west coast van.

If you are willing to spend the money for a nice clean west coast van and pay to ship it, that option simply makes alot of sense.

jrinaman
09-10-2016, 01:57 PM
I would love to do everything myself. I figure that if someone else can do it, then I can, too. My wife bought me an Eastwood 135 setup last Christmas, but I've been soo busy with work and school, that I just haven't had the time to get into the full swing of things. Tons of ideas, but since I'm in the home stretch of my apprenticeship, I'm still light on money until I finish. I've been doing little things here and there, when time and money allow. ok, knowing your situation a little better, proceed with caution. put the weatherstripping back in the box, put the 350 on hold and just adjust the exhaust valve popping threw carb and don't get the old lady pregnant before the vans done! know going in that it will never be a rust free original, but can be a decent daily driver. when I bought mine, I was set on having a van I could drive without getting into major downtime. it was all one color, ran o.k. and had a partial interior. looked good going down the road, not so good when you looked close. piece by piece, I cut out and replaced both steps, passenger inner and outer rocker, both wheel arches, front from bumper down and bottom of a door. bought the other doors. all the metal was stuff I had laying around or cut from junk vehicles. 3053930540

BKernodle
09-10-2016, 02:37 PM
ok, knowing your situation a little better, proceed with caution. put the weatherstripping back in the box, put the 350 on hold and just adjust the exhaust valve popping threw carb and don't get the old lady pregnant before the vans done! know going in that it will never be a rust free original, but can be a decent daily driver. when I bought mine, I was set on having a van I could drive without getting into major downtime. it was all one color, ran o.k. and had a partial interior. looked good going down the road, not so good when you looked close. piece by piece, I cut out and replaced both steps, passenger inner and outer rocker, both wheel arches, front from bumper down and bottom of a door. bought the other doors. all the metal was stuff I had laying around or cut from junk vehicles. 3053930540

Too late, my wife is pregnant. Baby is due in about a month, so...

kookykrispy
09-10-2016, 08:49 PM
Too late, my wife is pregnant. Baby is due in about a month, so...

That's great news actually! Congratulations.

dream weaver 65
09-11-2016, 10:25 AM
navy guy ?? 1958 my first duty was little creek !! small craft repair .. hung out at ocean view amusement park ..wow they burned that park down for a movie welcome to vcvc thank for your service

BKernodle
09-11-2016, 11:12 AM
navy guy ?? 1958 my first duty was little creek !! small craft repair .. hung out at ocean view amusement park ..wow they burned that park down for a movie welcome to vcvc thank for your service


Naw, I spent 11 years as Airborne Infantry in the Army. Live off of Granby St., just down the road from LCAB (well, JEBLC-FS, now), though.

Wookee
09-12-2016, 06:57 AM
The General never painted the area that you pictured.
Here in the rust belt.Because of the crazy temperature swings we experience around here.Condensation,AKA water can and will build up in these unprotected areas .They will and do rust.

You could import one from the west coast and find different hidden issues......

BKernodle
09-12-2016, 07:38 AM
The General never painted the area that you pictured.
Here in the rust belt.Because of the crazy temperature swings we experience around here.Condensation,AKA water can and will build up in these unprotected areas .They will and do rust.

You could import on from the west coast and find different hidden issues......


I've noticed a few vans with the same problem. My dad's 69 has some rust there, but nowhere near as bad as mine, just some bubbling.

I'm trying to be optimistic here, maybe too much, but I was tapping around on the rust areas, trying to see how solid the remaining sheet metal is. What's there doesn't sound like tapping wafers or paper mache. Sounds solid for it's current state. Would some wire wheeling and a little por15 be a viable option to hold what I've got, until I can find a better 108 or a new front?

Wookee
09-12-2016, 11:08 AM
What condition is the rest of the body in ?

BKernodle
09-12-2016, 12:03 PM
What condition is the rest of the body in ?

Driver Side
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Passenger Side
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That's the extent of the damage.

REDMAN
09-13-2016, 01:59 AM
That doesn't look TOO bad. I say go for it!

Wookee
09-13-2016, 11:47 AM
The old girl is suffering from typical East Coast rust issues.
To do the repairs will require a good bit if welding and fabrication work/skills.
The smashed wheel well opening is a bit harder repair to pull of than the rust repair.
Swapping out the rusty doors for good solid ones can save a lot of time.

What engine and trans is currently in the van ?

BKernodle
09-13-2016, 12:09 PM
The old girl is suffering from typical East Coast rust issues.
To do the repairs will require a good bit if welding and fabrication work/skills.
The smashed wheel well opening is a bit harder repair to pull of than the rust repair.
Swapping out the rusty doors for good solid ones can save a lot of time.

What engine and trans is currently in the van ?

I figure that a new set of doors and a couple patch panels will handle the majority of the work, besides the front door jams. That and a good sandblasting and some paint.

I'm currently running the original 250 I6, but not sure of the 3-speed trans.

I may just replace the side doors with the rear doors, since I plan on redoing the back end like my dad had his 68 back in the 70's.

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Vanner68
09-13-2016, 04:32 PM
OK, you've got rust, dents, a welder and some time.

Might as well go for it.

Will it be perfect? Probably not.

But you will learn what to do, and more importantly, what NOT to do on a van that realistically isn't worth much.

Heck, if you want, you can go full radical and no one will hate on you. You aren't cutting up a pristine survivor.


I'm sorta kicking around some ideas for a late model Dodge, but I need a very very rusty example (so I can get it cheap).

EZ Cool
09-14-2016, 03:20 PM
Not a West Coast but a rust free Texas van. Only half way to the west coast. I just listed it in the Earlies for Sale forum.

Link to that thread:
http://www.vcvc.org/showthread.php/28420-1970-G10-Shorty-for-sale

Link to Craigslist ad:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/5781485650.html


http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a616/EZ-Cool/1970%20Van/WP_20160505_004_zpsd1tsqoct.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/EZ-Cool/media/1970%20Van/WP_20160505_004_zpsd1tsqoct.jpg.html)


In Progress pics here:


http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/EZ...?sort=3&page=1 (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/EZ-Cool/library/1970%20Van?sort=3&page=1)

BKernodle
09-14-2016, 08:28 PM
Not a West Coast but a rust free Texas van. Only half way to the west coast. I just listed it in the Earlies for Sale forum.

Link to that thread:
http://www.vcvc.org/showthread.php/28420-1970-G10-Shorty-for-sale

Link to Craigslist ad:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/5781485650.html


http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a616/EZ-Cool/1970%20Van/WP_20160505_004_zpsd1tsqoct.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/EZ-Cool/media/1970%20Van/WP_20160505_004_zpsd1tsqoct.jpg.html)


In Progress pics here:


http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/EZ...?sort=3&page=1 (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/EZ-Cool/library/1970%20Van?sort=3&page=1)





That's a good looking rig. I'm really only interested in the 108's. I will pass it along to my brother, he's looking for a van as well.

Wookee
09-15-2016, 11:55 AM
You will find out the van has a way of fitting into your budget.....

YORKSTER68
09-17-2016, 05:28 PM
Good luck, Shipmate. ( USN, 93-97, USS Philippine Sea CG-58, NS Mayport here in Jax). Least your roof seams to be in better shape. The back corners on mine (also a 68)are rusted thru and the under structure is also badly rusted thru. Since I have zero welding/fabracation skills, I'm saving to buy one in better condition that I can drive while fixing up.