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    Coop's 68 heart transplant

    As I'm sure most of you know my engine blew a rod on the way home from the Nats (and I'd do it again). So now it's time to rebuild my other 250ci engine I had sitting on one of my engine stands for the last 11 years or so when I pulled it out of my 1971 Nova. While I'm at it I'm going to ditch the 2 speed powerglide for a 200R4 or is it 2004R I can never remember LOL. Also I am going to pull the rear and give it a rebuild w/a posi. Having only owned this van for about 3 months and blowing the engine on it's first long trip I don't need more surprises. I have already changed the front springs, tie rod ends drag link, king pins, and fixes some of the wiring mess thanks to the PO before the trip to the Nats. So now some pics I know how much we all like pics and as they say no pic it didn't happen lol.
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ID:	16875it would have been nice if the PO spent as much time worrying about the condition of the engine as he did about how it looked Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	16882and on the drivers side a nice hole in the blockClick image for larger version. 

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ID:	16883My Dad stopped by to tell me that there are some holes in my engine.Click image for larger version. 

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    Ok got them all tucked away for the night (Friday) I had to do this by myself and boy is my body hurting. I remember 20 years ago I'd do this then go out drinking till 3am and do it all again in the morning. It sucks getting old lol.
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    You don't waste any time, Coop! I like that.
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    thats wild coop

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    Tear them down

    OK so the next day (Sat.) Tear them down day.
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ID:	16886Oh look my brother stopped by guess I should put him to work on the other engine LOLClick image for larger version. 

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ID:	16888and now we put the old girl to bed. At least she's got some company.Click image for larger version. 

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    Last edited by Coop; 07-27-2014 at 01:08 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smiley View Post
    You don't waste any time, Coop! I like that.
    LOL...I got to get her going again, I miss it already. Keep checking on me I'm sure I'll need some help along the way. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by flat nose vanner View Post
    thats wild coop
    Thanks, I'm glad I held on to that other engine.
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    that is a catastrophic failure coop. she's not coming back from that damage. what, if anything, do you attribute the damage to? over-revved, missed shift, tired lower end, loss of oil? did you have an idea you would have problems, or was it a total surprise? if you fall off the horse, you are supposed to get right back on. great motivation.

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    Ouch. Looks like that rod let go in quite a spectacular fashion!! If it wasn't knocking at first and had good oil pressure up until that point, it could have possibly been a sudden rod bolt failure or something like that.

    Old inline sixes are great because they are so easy to work on. Its handy you have a spare from the nova ready to go. Maybe if the Nova engine is in decent condition, you can get away with just doing a simple do-it-yourself hone and re-ring job, with new bearings in the bottom?

    I hope you connected with Blaino at the nats and got those other springs?

    That original 6 cyl power steering setup that you have on the nova engine is somewhat rare and is worth some money on ebay.
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    He rolled into the Nats with a pretty substantial rod knock.
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    Wink Organazation?????????

    WAY-TOO MUCH organazation & clenliness. Must have been Photoshopped!! Only real thing i can see is the Budweiser bottle!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kookykrispy View Post

    I hope you connected with Blaino at the nats and got those other springs?
    KK, Your parts are here at my place, until Blaine makes a return trip to visit family. They will be with him on his return trip to the PNW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BvrWally View Post
    KK, Your parts are here at my place, until Blaine makes a return trip to visit family. They will be with him on his return trip to the PNW!
    That's great to know! I had not heard anything about if the 'vanner express' parts handoff actually happened, so I was hoping for the best! Thanks alot for your help, I sure appreciate it and I hope that chunk of metal from my '67 parts van is what you needed to repair your rig.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kookykrispy View Post
    That's great to know! I had not heard anything about if the 'vanner express' parts handoff actually happened, so I was hoping for the best! Thanks alot for your help, I sure appreciate it and I hope that chunk of metal from my '67 parts van is what you needed to repair your rig.

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    Thumbs up Vanner Express moving early parts from Nats to the NW

    Great! Please tell him THANK YOU again for making the vanner express happen!!! I really appreciate it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by planetvear View Post
    that is a catastrophic failure coop. she's not coming back from that damage. what, if anything, do you attribute the damage to? over-revved, missed shift, tired lower end, loss of oil? did you have an idea you would have problems, or was it a total surprise? if you fall off the horse, you are supposed to get right back on. great motivation.
    Nope that block is done. I think it was just a tired low end It had good oil and the psi never went below 15psi. She started knocking around 100 miles or so out of the nats and at that point I said we just have to keep going what will be will be. She made it there did some light driving around took us to the auto parts store, breakfast Sunday morning, and about 100 miles from home when it finally let go. It was the original block, best I can tell someone did a valve job some time ago and put some shinny things on it. I'm going to keep or sell if someone needs something what is still good from the two engines and do a complete bottom up rebuild on the 71. Having only owned this van for 3 months and not knowing what if anything was done to the drivetrain. I was hoping that this engine would hold on till the spring as I collected parts and rebuilt the other engine over the winter. Now I just have to do it sooner and not be able to enjoy the ride while I do it. But we will ride again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kookykrispy View Post
    Ouch. Looks like that rod let go in quite a spectacular fashion!! If it wasn't knocking at first and had good oil pressure up until that point, it could have possibly been a sudden rod bolt failure or something like that.

    Old inline sixes are great because they are so easy to work on. Its handy you have a spare from the nova ready to go. Maybe if the Nova engine is in decent condition, you can get away with just doing a simple do-it-yourself hone and re-ring job, with new bearings in the bottom?

    I hope you connected with Blaino at the nats and got those other springs?

    That original 6 cyl power steering setup that you have on the nova engine is somewhat rare and is worth some money on ebay.
    Yeah KK that's pretty much what the 71 needs, it had 105k on it when I took it out and it ran strong. Yes I did connect with Blaino (he found me) he's a great guy. He told me to tell you that his Honda is better then your van LOL or something like that. I took the front ones you sent me apart gave them a bath spent a day stripping them, panted them up nice with por15, got new center pins, bolts, and all new bushings. They look better then new now. A good friend of mine let me use his lift for a day, so I also was able to change the tie rod ends, center link, king pins, sway bar end links and bushing when installing the springs (thanks Eric). I took a measurement to the bottom of the bumper from the ground before 8 1/2" old springs, after 17 1/2" new springs. She came up 9" it now looks like she is taking a shit lol. I took pics with my phone of the whole job, I have one with the two sets of springs next to each other. The old ones are just about flat there was no travel at all to these and it made the van ride like crap the smallest bump would kill me. I showed Smiley the pics from my phone (it's old as hell) as he said I need to find a way to post them. Thank you so much for your and Blaino's help in getting the rear ones to the Nats for me
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    There they are Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Campervanman View Post
    WAY-TOO MUCH organazation & clenliness. Must have been Photoshopped!! Only real thing i can see is the Budweiser bottle!!
    LMAO! SSHHHHHHH you said you wouldn't tell everyone!
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    I think your front end will drop back down to earth a bit once the motor and trans goes back in. Almost the entire weight of the driveline is supported by the front springs. If it's still up in the air after the motor goes back in, just tell everyone it's the gasser look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optik View Post
    I think your front end will drop back down to earth a bit once the motor and trans goes back in. Almost the entire weight of the driveline is supported by the front springs. If it's still up in the air after the motor goes back in, just tell everyone it's the gasser look.
    LOL.... That pic is not far off from with the engine in it.
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    It's hard to tell from these pics but the front is much higher then the back. I changed the front spring before my trip to the Nats that KK sent me. The PO de-arked the springs way to much the front was riding on the rubber bump stopper things. It was undriveable. KK sent the rears to the Nats for me and when I put those in it should level it out.
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    Should have a great stance once you get the rears in!!!!! I personally love a highboy van, Taz's van is one that I think has an awesome stance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optik View Post
    Should have a great stance once you get the rears in!!!!! I personally love a highboy van, Taz's van is one that I think has an awesome stance.
    Yeah I think so too. Thanks
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    If you look at other earlies in the area with unmodded suspension, you'll see the front is sitting about right. The tail is a draggin though.
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    Question Tranny

    Has anyone put a 4L60e in one of these vans? My friend has one in good working order that he will give me for $100. It's my understanding that it is basically a 2004r (same size/gearing) just uses a computer to dial it in. The nice thing with this is I can change the shift points with a touch of a button. Would like to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks
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    There are a few running around with the 4l60 but, usually behind a fuel injected v8. Look into the conversion computer to run a 4l60 by it self, its not cheap. You could almost buy a new 200r for just the cost of the conversion computer
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    Quote Originally Posted by pan58head View Post
    There are a few running around with the 4l60 but, usually behind a fuel injected v8. Look into the conversion computer to run a 4l60 by it self, its not cheap. You could almost buy a new 200r for just the cost of the conversion computer
    True $100 for tranny $600 for the computer or $1200 for a 200r4. It's not so much the $ as it is drivability and I kind of like the idea of being able to change the shift points for street driving, highway, or going threw the mountains and so on. GRRRRR sometimes I hate having choices. Thanks for your input pan58head
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    and no t.v. cable!! most 200 and 700r4 failures are from cables being too loose or incorrect geometry. who sells the programmable computer for $600.00?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrinaman View Post
    and no t.v. cable!! most 200 and 700r4 failures are from cables being too loose or incorrect geometry. who sells the programmable computer for $600.00?
    Right! I found one made by TCI/Fast 302820 EZ-TCU Trans controller for $560 but you also have to get a remote TPS (throttle position sensor) for $140 for use with a carbureted engine. So it's more like $700. But getting the trans for $100 it still seems like the way to go. Like I said the tranny is in great working order.
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    Parts comming in!

    On my way home from work I stopped by my shop and found that I got some new goodies for the van. So I'm on my way!
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    those are nice looking castings coop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by planetvear View Post
    those are nice looking castings coop.
    Thanks
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    You will be very happy with those manifolds!! I've ran a set for many years now with no issues at all, very nice product!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optik View Post
    You will be very happy with those manifolds!! I've ran a set for many years now with no issues at all, very nice product!
    Cool, after researching for like over a week these seemed to me to be the way to go. Thanks for confirming this, it makes me feel as if I made a good choice. What gaskets are you using/what would you say works best with these?
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    If it wasn't for the fact I would have to waste a set of intake/exhaust gaskets to find out, I would love to see if the Chevy and Pontiac OHC exhaust manifolds interchange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coop View Post
    Cool, after researching for like over a week these seemed to me to be the way to go. Thanks for confirming this, it makes me feel as if I made a good choice. What gaskets are you using/what would you say works best with these?
    I used stock gaskets, Fel-Pro, I think. It's been about 10 years since I installed them, so I'm not really sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optik View Post
    I used stock gaskets, Fel-Pro, I think. It's been about 10 years since I installed them, so I'm not really sure.
    Ok, Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanner68 View Post
    If it wasn't for the fact I would have to waste a set of intake/exhaust gaskets to find out, I would love to see if the Chevy and Pontiac OHC exhaust manifolds interchange.
    Unfortunately, chevy inline and OHC manifolds are quite different. They do not interchange.



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    Yesterday I loaded up the short block in my p/u and brought it over to my friends shop to take the pistons, cam, lifters, balancer, and cover off. She looks to be in very good shape. I also picked up the tranny. Sorry I need to do a better job and take more pics. When I get into something I totally forget about the camera. Also I was told some more goodies showed up at my shop. I need to get over there I hope tomorrow.
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    My friends monster wagon project.
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    This is an old pic of a future vanner (my daughter). Sorry it just cracked me up lol she's 3 now. It goes so fast!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coop View Post
    Has anyone put a 4L60e in one of these vans? My friend has one in good working order that he will give me for $100. It's my understanding that it is basically a 2004r (same size/gearing) just uses a computer to dial it in. The nice thing with this is I can change the shift points with a touch of a button. Would like to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks
    why not use one from a astro van?
    I can change if I have to I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by zwett View Post
    why not use one from a astro van?
    Yeah, I could use one out of an Astro. A 4L60E is a 4L60E the good thing about the astro is I could use the converter as apposed to the one that came out of the road master w/the LT1 that I have to have reworked. The bad thing is the astro tranny would be an unknown. I know for a fact that the tranny from the road master has 100k on it and still works as it should. It was my friend Eric's fathers car he bought it new and it was never beaten or neglected. I brought the tranny to one of Eric's friends tranny shops yesterday. He said he could rework the converter to work with my I6 and tear down the tranny give it a new pump, seals and make sure all is well with it. All he wants from me is to change the 7 lights in his shop old T12 8 footers to tandem T8 8 footers (much brighter/use less energy). I pay just for the parts for the tranny and same for him with the lights should only take me half a day.
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    sounds like a good deal to me. those are the kind of "trade" deals that work well for both parties.

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