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    Aluminum radiator

    I was wondering if anyone else has used the alum radiator that Russel used in his 65 with the 6 . I think it is a Mustang or Cougar radiator. My van is running a little hot hasnít gone over 210 yet but it hasnít been all that warm here in Western Pa yet. I am pretty sure itís a circulation issue . It goes up going up hills and when going down or no load on engine it goes back down. It does have complete bell pan , 160 thermostat and 13lb cap. I did a back flush the other day and didnít help much . I think the bottom is clogged. Thanks

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    This will sound really dumb but when I swapped the engine in my 108 I had to pull the radiator and when I had it out I stuck a hose in the top and just flushed it out until all the dirty brown rusty water came out, until it flowed out the bottom clear. I was afraid I was flushing out stuff that might be clogging small leaks ha ha! Anyway. once i had everything back together it does not leak and runs 185-190 all the time.

    The previous owner of my 1st Gen said the guy before him pulled the stock radiator and had it re-done with an extra row of tubes. It also runs at 185-190 and has no tunnel, and has no belly pan attached currently either. So yeah you might have a lot of crud in there, or worse yet in the block. I suppose you could remove your rad hoses and stick a garden hose in the block as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanSandy View Post
    This will sound really dumb but when I swapped the engine in my 108 I had to pull the radiator and when I had it out I stuck a hose in the top and just flushed it out until all the dirty brown rusty water came out, until it flowed out the bottom clear. I was afraid I was flushing out stuff that might be clogging small leaks ha ha! Anyway. once i had everything back together it does not leak and runs 185-190 all the time.

    The previous owner of my 1st Gen said the guy before him pulled the stock radiator and had it re-done with an extra row of tubes. It also runs at 185-190 and has no tunnel, and has no belly pan attached currently either. So yeah you might have a lot of crud in there, or worse yet in the block. I suppose you could remove your rad hoses and stick a garden hose in the block as well.
    Nothing sounds dumb. I did back flush it the other day but with no chemicals. I called a radiator shop today and they told me between 200 to have it boiled out and around 600 to have it recored if boiling it out didnít work. Thatís why if I cane make this aluminum radiator work from eBay for $200.00 including shipping looks good.

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    I am using that rad in mine. had to cut the flanges and make some brackets but fairly easy install.
    '64 chevy, 292 40 over, 206/526 cam, 2004r trans. 9.75:1, dual webbers, Langdon cast headers, 1.94 valves

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    I just put one in. Easy install minimal fab. Crossflow cradle modified 1-3/4Ē spacer on bottom of radiator
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrinaman View Post
    I am using that rad in mine. had to cut the flanges and make some brackets but fairly easy install.
    Do you have to plug the bottom transmission holes if you have a manual? I havenít looked at how itís mounted in there yet, did you use regular angle iron for the brackets ? I know from having other GM trucks they used a rubber cradle bracket on bottom and top. I guess this is different. Did you have to cut much of the flanges ? Thanks

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    you won`t need to plug the trans cooler holes for a manual trans.
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    I cut about 1 inch off of the top of the inner flange towards the fan I had a downflow radiator in my stash that was junk. The bracket that was soldered to the old downflow had fallen off. I used that as another bracket to mount to the new radiator, tacked that to the new radiator bracket. That gave me a top strap to wrap around the doghouse to support the upper portion of the radiator pm me youíre email address or cell phone for pics of my install for ideas
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    I recently installed one in my '68 with 350 v8. Same mods for installation brackets. I had to cut the original fan shroud to fit, then cut it in half, so it could be easily installed last. Also made an air dam directing air up to the radiator (I have no belly pan). Also installed universal recovery tank. Runs 160-170 on the highway, 190 in traffic. Couldn't be happier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flying brick View Post
    I recently installed one in my '68 with 350 v8. Same mods for installation brackets. I had to cut the original fan shroud to fit, then cut it in half, so it could be easily installed last. Also made an air dam directing air up to the radiator (I have no belly pan). Also installed universal recovery tank. Runs 160-170 on the highway, 190 in traffic. Couldn't be happier.
    Thatís good to here. I donít have a shroud but I do have a complete belly pan. Did you get the one on eBay for $200.00 including shipping for Mustage and Cougar ? I ordered mine yesterday. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mags View Post
    Thatís good to here. I donít have a shroud but I do have a complete belly pan. Did you get the one on eBay for $200.00 including shipping for Mustage and Cougar ? I ordered mine yesterday. Thanks
    Wait, do you have a 1st or 2nd gen? 1st Gen has no shroud, just bar thingy that I think is just a warning not to get your fingers cut off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanSandy View Post
    Wait, do you have a 1st or 2nd gen? 1st Gen has no shroud, just bar thingy that I think is just a warning not to get your fingers cut off.
    I have a 1965. 1st gen. I looked at it tonight , it looks like the radiator is bolted to that bar and the bar is bolted down both sides of the dog house. I will probably have to wait till I get the radiator and take the old one out before I see how I am going to mount it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mags View Post
    Thatís good to here. I donít have a shroud but I do have a complete belly pan. Did you get the one on eBay for $200.00 including shipping for Mustage and Cougar ? I ordered mine yesterday. Thanks
    Yep. $200 including shipping. You'll have to get a fan shroud, or it'll overheat in traffic. But you can easily make one from scratch if you don't have a stocker you can butcher. Make it in two halves that you can fasten together. Make it out of cardboard first, then use it as a template to make the real one out of sheet aluminum. You'll also need to make 4 attaching brackets out of the same aluminum, bent at 90 degrees and fasten to the shroud halves ( I used 1/8 pop rivets) then bolt it to the radiator. Easy to attach and remove.

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    you might to send it up from the bottom. it 'can' drop in from above but requires a good bit of cussing and throwing things!
    '64 chevy, 292 40 over, 206/526 cam, 2004r trans. 9.75:1, dual webbers, Langdon cast headers, 1.94 valves

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    Quote Originally Posted by flying brick View Post
    Yep. $200 including shipping. You'll have to get a fan shroud, or it'll overheat in traffic. But you can easily make one from scratch if you don't have a stocker you can butcher. Make it in two halves that you can fasten together. Make it out of cardboard first, then use it as a template to make the real one out of sheet aluminum. You'll also need to make 4 attaching brackets out of the same aluminum, bent at 90 degrees and fasten to the shroud halves ( I used 1/8 pop rivets) then bolt it to the radiator. Easy to attach and remove.
    Mags, you might want to check on getting your stock rad re-cored with an extra row. Supposedly that is what a previous owner of my van from had done. I have had zero cooling issues. Unfortunately I have no idea who did the work or how much it cost. Dropping the stock rad out the bottom is easy - except for the inevitable coolant spilling on your arm!

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    One of the best things you can do for airflow is put some kind of scoop on the bottom of the belly pan. Make it big enough to encompass the area of the louvers. It will only need to extend about 3"-4" below the pan to be in the airstream.

    I'm also a firm believer that the louvers in the belly pan actually hinder the airflow. I cut them out of the pan on my black van and covered the hole with a scoop. That van has had the stock radiator (first gen downflow) recored to three rows, but its also dealing with a motor that has a mild build on it as well. On my blue van I took the pan off and ran without and never had an overheating issue in that van.

    There are so many additional factors that affect how hot your motor runs that its best to knock them off one at a time and see what helps the most. Engine timing, carb adjustment, water flow, air flow, how full of gunk the block is, etc. Most of these are easy enough to address without a lot of major work or expense before putting down a chunk of cash on a new radiator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flying brick View Post
    I recently installed one in my '68 with 350 v8. Same mods for installation brackets. I had to cut the original fan shroud to fit, then cut it in half, so it could be easily installed last. Also made an air dam directing air up to the radiator (I have no belly pan). Also installed universal recovery tank. Runs 160-170 on the highway, 190 in traffic. Couldn't be happier.
    Flying Brick,

    Did you have any issues with the port for your overflow? Mine seems to be clocked wrong and I can't get a hose around the tube.

    Mike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by madillow View Post
    Flying Brick,

    Did you have any issues with the port for your overflow? Mine seems to be clocked wrong and I can't get a hose around the tube.

    Mike...
    Yeah, the port would be better facing the pass side, but I had no trouble fitting a hose, just had it make a u turn and mounted the recovery tank between the radiator and the inside front of the doghouse.

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    I am about to order one of the new alum. rads. and I was wondering if it could be narrowed up enough to fit in a 1st gen. the specs. on the new one says the width is 22.5" and measuring my doghouse it looks like the widest point is 21". I'm Understanding that I can cut off enough flange to get it down that narrow? and the width measurement includes the flanges?

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    Cougar Radiator fits 66 with some trimming

    I put a Cougar radiator in my 66, shop did it for me. They said it fit fine after trimming the mounting flanges on the sides of the radiator. I seem to recall they did install it from the bottom. I seem to recall maybe because the doghouse was too narrow to do it from the top and maintain a mounting flange?

    With he new radiator in there, and everything else stock, with a 250 engine, 3 on three and stock underbelly air scoop in place, the engine runs great and temp has been perfect, no issues.

    The shop used and modified larger conduit straps to hold the top in place, with rubber under the straps to separate the aluminum from the galvanized metal.

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    Part Number or Link to Cougar Radiator

    ShawnM, Could you post a link to the one you purchased and had installed? The '66 my dad and i purchased in Wisconsin recently was deemed to be a junk radiator not worth fixing. I'm looking at our options now and would appreciate any specific part numbers or links for the aluminum Cougar radiator many have spoken positively about.
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    EBay Link for Cougar Mustang Aluminum radiator

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryleeji View Post
    ShawnM, Could you post a link to the one you purchased and had installed? The '66 my dad and i purchased in Wisconsin recently was deemed to be a junk radiator not worth fixing. I'm looking at our options now and would appreciate any specific part numbers or links for the aluminum Cougar radiator many have spoken positively about.
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    Here's the one I bought: https://www.ebay.com/itm/67-70-Musta...72.m2749.l2649

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    https://www.ebay.com/itm/23082890326...84.m1423.l2649

    I have the Cougar radiator in my van with a Spal electric fan and it keeps my V-8 cool. Easy install too.

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    ShawnM, I appreciate the information and pictures, I ordered the rad. today. It looks like a very tight fit, but I am a welder and fabricator so it will be not much problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CREWCHIEF View Post
    ShawnM, I appreciate the information and pictures, I ordered the rad. today. It looks like a very tight fit, but I am a welder and fabricator so it will be not much problem.

    Good deal! Let us know how you make out and what you learn doing it. Nobody needs to know we have Ford parts in our earlies, so what happens on VCVC stays on VCVC!

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    I got my rad. today, looks good, it appears that cutting the flanges toward the front off will get me enough room to get it up from the bottom, and use the ones to the rear by the fan for mounting purposes.

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    Please post pictures!

    Looking forward to your fab work on your install!
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    I'm having trouble getting hold of Tomsclassic seems they won't ship to Canada and their phone number is not assigned.

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    This shows how I mounted the radiator in my '66 near the bottom of first page, I did have to trim the flanges some for the linkage and cable's.
    http://www.vcvc.org/showthread.php/2...portvan-Deluxe
    I recently had to make new brackets to move the Radiator forward to make room for a clutch fan.
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    Wider angle, (steel) and facing the other way gave me plenty of room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparky View Post
    I'm having trouble getting hold of Tomsclassic seems they won't ship to Canada and their phone number is not assigned.
    That is absurd. The list of countries they will and wont ship to is a mile long. It doesnt include Cannuckland in either list.
    They are in Minnesota and could throw one and it would land over there.

    Email them. Repeatedly.
    If they would send one to Grenada they should be able to get one to you.
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    Dunno what I did differently but I tried the order again through eBay and it worked....

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    Alum Radiator

    I ordered one also, said it was shipped on May 1st, guaranteed delivery May 6th. No show and FedEx can't tell me that it is been received. I hope I will get this for my van...it needs it!

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    Tomsclassic Aluminum Radiator Order

    I ordered one from Tomsclassic through the eBay link Sean posted on Sunday, April 26th and was pleasantly surprised when it was delivered early Tuesday, April 28th. Well packaged and a great looking radiator. I'm in Southern Wisconsin so a pretty quick trip but I was very happy with the service i received.

    It's a replacement for the bad radiator in the '66 Sportvan Custom that i bought for a project for my dad in Oklahoma. Van was parked near Rio, WI since 1990 or so, so it hasn't run in 30yrs or so. Once things open up a bit and my dad fixes a weird towing issue with his newly acquired '99 GMC Suburban (anyone know the EVO valve issue?), he will be bringing the van back closer to home where it spent it's early years in Fort Worth, Texas - the PO gave me the first WI title from 1986 that said previously titled in Texas...

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    Alum Radiator

    I got mine yesterday...apparently a problem with FedEx or something. It does look good and I hope someone
    that has more patience than me will help me install so I don't mess it up. Tom's took care of me on this one.

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    alum rad.

    Hey Shawn, I am thinking of mounting my radiator like yours but wanted to know how yours is secured on the
    bottom. I am also concerned about the sway bar interfering with the fit.
    Thanks

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    Craig, I did not install it myself, had a shop do it. IĎM pretty sure they used the side mounting flanges Iím away till Wednesday. Iíll see if I can see it through the defector under the van, maybe capture a few pictures

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    Thanks Shawn, I think I have an idea on the bottom bracket using GM crossflow radiator pads, prefect fit and a cross bar mount of thin 3'' angle and do the top like yours and hopefully I will remember to take pics.

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    Dissimilar metals?

    Craig, let us know how you make out. Be sure to somehow seperate dissimilar metals. Those brackets holding the top of mine have rubber in between the brackets and the aluminum radiator to separate

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    Here's a picture of mine mounted in my '65, I used aluminum angle brackets with rubber isolaters.

    I used the remote fill on my '67 and it seems to work well, I'm using electric water pumps in both vans.
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    alum rad.

    Whoa TK, that's way more than I can do. I have some good insulating pads from a 91 chev p/u radiator for the bottom and with Shawns top mount I think it will come together.
    Craig

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