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    didn't intend on installing this until fall but a broken exhaust stud was a good enough excuse to start it today. it is a tight fit but it does fit. the front header flange is only 1/4" away where doghouse attaches to floor but I can create more room there if I really need it, a second gen box is in the distant future so probably live with it as it is. the rear carb is also within 1/4" at the choke and not as willing to have the carb bouncing off the doghouse on deceleration so I will deal with that tomorrow. other than fitting my fingers in there to put it together, there is plenty of room for the linkage. I will lower the passenger side of crossmember for more room, just started fabbing the linkage brackets and already had it on and off 3 times so removing 2 crossmember bolts and replacing when done is well worth the time. I might add a couple washers there anyways to gain choke clearance but hoping to just create a buldge with a c clamp. Click image for larger version. 

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    '64 chevy, 292 40 over, 206/526 cam, 2004r trans. 9.75:1, dual webbers, Langdon cast headers, 1.94 valves

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    didn't get far today. took most of the day just to make 3 brackets! made the tv cable bracket too but that was just making a copy of my old one and welding it to the throttle lever in the correct location. i excluded the pic of the first bracket as i just wasnt able to make it work. with the offy, i made a single rail that hung from the carb base and mounted everything to that. with a much wider intake, vacuum ports and water lines, plus closer to doghouse, 'how' i mounted everything without interfearing with eachother became an all day affair!Click image for larger version. 

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    '64 chevy, 292 40 over, 206/526 cam, 2004r trans. 9.75:1, dual webbers, Langdon cast headers, 1.94 valves

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    So what carbs will go on that? And what are you going to do with the old Offy intake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanSandy View Post
    So what carbs will go on that? And what are you going to do with the old Offy intake?
    weber 38/38's. once it is together and any issues resolved, I would like to sell as a package. offy intake, heat plate and pipes, dual 32/36 European webers, carb adapters, linkage, brackets, fuel pressure regulator, aluminum valve cover and Langdon cast headers. after rejetting, about $1450.00 in parts alone, (if new). a local vanner expressed interest for his first gen 292 build so he has first dibs. I am firm at $750.00, I had close to that just upgrading from the 32/32 weber/carters. while most of my used items are sold cheap or given away, these are parts I might actually use someday so regardless what the resale value is, their worth that to me.
    '64 chevy, 292 40 over, 206/526 cam, 2004r trans. 9.75:1, dual webbers, Langdon cast headers, 1.94 valves

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    I like your shop, it looks old school, just the way I'm used to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Goes View Post
    I like your shop, it looks old school, just the way I'm used to.
    everything I need in 1000 sq. ft. (except more room). old school=set up to get stuff done. I like the tv shows where everything is spotless, tools look as if never used, hair perfect and never a grease stain on their clothes and clean manicured hands. they pull 50 year old cars out of the field and do a frame off restoration and not one ever dripped any oil, then all the cutting, grinding, bondo and sanding never created any dust. only had a couple hours to spare tonight. got the carbs, linkage and brackets on and just started adjusting linkages when time ran out. maybe fire it up tomorrow night but still have exhaust and one water line to connect from underneath. while I did install fitting before installing intake, it is too close to header for a rubber hose. 2 90 degree elbows and a short length of pipe should get me past everything. Click image for larger version. 

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    '64 chevy, 292 40 over, 206/526 cam, 2004r trans. 9.75:1, dual webbers, Langdon cast headers, 1.94 valves

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    Cool set up!

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    spent a couple hours on it tonight. I managed to get everything together without lowering/leaning the engine but just couldn't adjust the linkage properly. lowered engine, less than 5 minutes adjusting everything and then bolted it back up. I did add 1/4" to the spacer to add more clearance at the carb. when I had the longer bolt holding it, I lowered until distributor touched doghouse. I had plenty of room to adjust linkage and double check everything. Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	40094 next was the fuel lines and pressure regulator. got half way and needed more fuel line and clamps. half hour for them to look up 5/16" fuel line and another 15 minutes to find the clamps! no wonder I cant get anything done. these air filters came with everything but will eventually modify my 240z air cleaner and install it again. Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	40098 let the pump run a minute, hit the gas once to set the choke and turned the key, it fired up instantly! shut it off within seconds as my next task was connecting my water that nearly touches header. while I did stop at the hardware store for fittings this morning, I just wasn't happy with what I had. another trip out and more fittings (I am at $50 bucks now just to hook up my water) got it all in and need yet another piece. this will work but much rather run black pipe another 8" and connect the hose where I can see/reach it and not worry about the hose rubbing. Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrinaman View Post
    weber 38/38's. once it is together and any issues resolved, I would like to sell as a package. offy intake, heat plate and pipes, dual 32/36 European webers, carb adapters, linkage, brackets, fuel pressure regulator, aluminum valve cover and Langdon cast headers. after rejetting, about $1450.00 in parts alone, (if new). a local vanner expressed interest for his first gen 292 build so he has first dibs. I am firm at $750.00, I had close to that just upgrading from the 32/32 weber/carters. while most of my used items are sold cheap or given away, these are parts I might actually use someday so regardless what the resale value is, their worth that to me.
    Sounds like a good deal, keep me in mind for my I6/250

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanSandy View Post
    Sounds like a good deal, keep me in mind for my I6/250
    if he isn't interested, your next on the list. it will be a few weeks until I let it go. was gone for the weekend but managed to get a couple hours in tonight. down pipes are done, even threw on a coat of high temp paint. there was no room for error on the down pipes, the rear one was on and back off 10 times cutting a 1/4" at a time! the rest should be easy. still waiting on mufflers so will do the back tomorrow leaving extra at the mufflers and just cut to fit when I get them. wasn't happy with the t.v. cable bracket so I extended it down about 1/2" and angled it a few degrees to line up better. it will go on tomorrow and an open pipe test drive. Click image for larger version. 

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    '64 chevy, 292 40 over, 206/526 cam, 2004r trans. 9.75:1, dual webbers, Langdon cast headers, 1.94 valves

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    tv cable lines up better and the 1/2" I added made it easier to remove and install. if you look at the first pic, the cable is off center and not much cable left before bottoming out. maybe wasn't an issue but I fixed it anyways. Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	40124 the down pipes will be cut to length once the mufflers arrive, I am placing them as far forward as I can. likely cut off 6" from the shorter one. they were left long to square the pipes with each other and the frame, I also made brackets to connect between muffler clamps. both to keep it square and to prevent mufflers from rattling against each other. they will be about an inch apart. Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	40125 the drivers side was pretty straightforward so I completed it, including drilling and mounting 3 hangers. it might get a coat of high temp paint and a stainless tip but it just needs cut to length and bolted in. the passenger side wasn't as simple. a 45 +/- at the tank, a few degrees up, then back down over the rear end and another 45 to line up with muffler. I wanted to wait on the mufflers before making the last 45 as a few degrees or a fraction of an inch could make the rest useless. I have a bit more grinding to clean them up and hangers to mount and mufflers should be here by then. they will have to wait while I am camping in the mountains so a few hours tomorrow is it until next week. Click image for larger version. 

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    well my $50 dollar mufflers finally arrived! no name glass packs of the same size were just above $20, cherry bombs were $25 and the purple hornys were $35. are these better or did I buy into the hype? doesn't matter now and I wasted more money on dumber things. well here they are, where they will lay for another week. Click image for larger version. 

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    Ive had several (old school) guys tell me about how good Smithy's sound on a split-six exhaust. I'll wait to see how you like em....specifically if/how much they drone.

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    Once the mufflers are installed Please take a video with sound and share it if possible. I have a 250 with the cast iron split manifolds and have been wanting to try out a set of glasspacks on mine. I would love to hear what yours sounds like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjeff View Post
    Once the mufflers are installed Please take a video with sound and share it if possible. I have a 250 with the cast iron split manifolds and have been wanting to try out a set of glasspacks on mine. I would love to hear what yours sounds like.
    I'm also considering exhaust options for a split exhaust. I'd also appreciate a sound clip.
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    intake/exhaust

    wow nice work john sure miss youall

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    mufflers are on but passenger tailpipe just cut and stuck together. ran out of mig wire at 7:00 on a sunday. sounded really good with just pipes but know that would get old quick. already have one car with lake pipes/no baffles and the novelty wears off within a few blocks. mufflers on and tailpipe on loose, has I nice sound at idle, not loud but you can hear it. gets louder when revved and has a raspy crackle when you let off. should finish tomorrow and attempt a sound bite then. no idea how to record, or if it will upload here. any tips? or is it just recording a video? never did that either but think I can master that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrinaman View Post
    mufflers are on but passenger tailpipe just cut and stuck together. ran out of mig wire at 7:00 on a sunday. sounded really good with just pipes but know that would get old quick. already have one car with lake pipes/no baffles and the novelty wears off within a few blocks. mufflers on and tailpipe on loose, has I nice sound at idle, not loud but you can hear it. gets louder when revved and has a raspy crackle when you let off. should finish tomorrow and attempt a sound bite then. no idea how to record, or if it will upload here. any tips? or is it just recording a video? never did that either but think I can master that.
    I usually record video on my phone, and then make a short video on youtube. Then post the link here



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    Quote Originally Posted by kookykrispy View Post
    I usually record video on my phone, and then make a short video on youtube. Then post the link here
    recorded one on my phone but the playback sounded like a weedwacker echoing threw a tin can! I will try again tomorrow. the Clifford parts made an unbelievable difference! I was skeptical but after having the offy with 36/36 and langdons, definitely worth the extra money. cant say the same for my exhaust hangers though. a 2 mile test drive and one broke. the busted hanger, then a few pics of my completed exhaust before the paint burns off. the labor involved in making the exhaust was well beyond its value. I did it anyways partially because I wanted to build it, not buy it and partially because I doubt the chain store muffler places would/could make the downpipes. Click image for larger version. 

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    '64 chevy, 292 40 over, 206/526 cam, 2004r trans. 9.75:1, dual webbers, Langdon cast headers, 1.94 valves

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    Nice progress! Can't wait to feel the Clifford and headers in my install going down the road as well. I won't be welding my own pipes though, I'll leave it to the pros. I'm just wondering if I'm going to tow it or drive it without pipes and mufflers 2 miles down to the muffler shop. You did an awesome job! Wish I could do it myself. How did the transmission shifts feel? 2004r right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 66BeachCruiser View Post
    Nice progress! Can't wait to feel the Clifford and headers in my install going down the road as well. I won't be welding my own pipes though, I'll leave it to the pros. I'm just wondering if I'm going to tow it or drive it without pipes and mufflers 2 miles down to the muffler shop. You did an awesome job! Wish I could do it myself. How did the transmission shifts feel? 2004r right?
    thanks. couldn't find a pro, they all retired or up and died! just getting it to fit in the first gen box was hard enough, then add pipes for intake heat, tranny and linkage, then end up 1/2" below tranny crossmember and still be level and parallel with each other! no $10/hr employee would of done it right. besides, my van is built, not bought. actually sounded better with short pipes and no mufflers. 200r4 was spot on, then I swapped in the 4.10 rear. more torque dropped the shift points. then all this, lots more torque so shifts lower yet. it isn't bad, just liked it revving a little higher so eventually get a higher stall converter and lighten the governor. not today though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrinaman View Post
    That sounds great. I love the sound of glass packs. Let us know how it is out on the road under a load.

    very nice work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjeff View Post
    That sounds great. I love the sound of glass packs. Let us know how it is out on the road under a load.

    very nice work.
    maybe post a video over the weekend when I have a passenger. it sounds good on the road. has a rumble but not loud during normal cruising, similar to a v-8. jump on it and gets load and nothing like an 8. in my video I posted, I did hold it at 2500 to show cruising rpm's and up to 5000 and let off to show how it sounds when I get on it and the crackle when I let off.
    '64 chevy, 292 40 over, 206/526 cam, 2004r trans. 9.75:1, dual webbers, Langdon cast headers, 1.94 valves

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    Sounds Great John!
    1966 / 230 / 3 tree / 3.73 / P275 60 R15 107S
    That makes people smile!
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    Being improved!
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    1966 / 230 / 3 tree / 3.63 / P205/60 R15 No longer 100% ORIGINAL.

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    Nicely done ! Sounds great ! Bill
    1966 Chevy G10 Panel, 283 small block/turbo 350,Disc brakes

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